0:01-01:10:14: Greetings! Welcome to the Wait, What? rollercoaster (of love!).  There is so much going on in the world right now, and so much that has happened in the U.S. comics market in the last week, we should just hop right in and break it all down for you.  Which is to say, we *should* but thanks to a correspondence with Dominic L. Franco, Jeff sat down and power-re-read of a fourteen year old DC event miniseries: Infinite Crisis by Geoff Johns, Phil Jimenez, and a flotilla of artists, inkers, cover people, colors, and letters.  And we talk about it AT LENGTH. So if you don’t want to hear about a big turning point in the DCU and how it resonates with later work by Johns, you should probably skip ahead an…hour or so?  Discussed: The plot of Infinite Crisis and everything that leads up to it; the modified version of Infinite Crisis released as a trade (and which version is/isn’t available on DC Universe); the Marvel Universe reduction of wonder in the 80s; the New52’s alternate origin point; connections to DC’s Convergence event (complete with its “nightmarish” zero issue); the various characters arcs of Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman; what does Geoff Johns believe in, really?  Graeme’s recent re-read of the twelve issue Ion miniseries written by Ron Marz around the time of Johns’ Sinestro War; DC event mad-libs; the good soldier who gets done the dirtiest by Infinite Crisis; and more.

01:10:14-1:35:00: Jeff tries to move on to the comics news as he’s all-too-horribly-aware how long the Infinite Crisis has become, but Graeme is not so easily swayed.  After all, Jeff opened up the whole discussion mentioning his thoughts about Infinite Crisis and a theory about the 1999 Julia Roberts/Hugh Grant movie Notting Hill. So what’s the connection, Graeme wonders?  Here’s your chance to find out discussed.  Discussed: Yesterday; Notting Hil;, the crimes-against-humanity atrocity that is Love, Actually; the other 1999 movie that is basically Notting Hill; and more.
1:35:00-2:08:43: Comic news! it’s time for comic news!  Well, I mean, actually it’s probably well-past time but here it is finally!  Graeme gives us the 411 on what he rightfully described as “a fucking weird week for comics.”  Discussed (although not necessarily in this order):  DC and Marvel not publishing new material digitally (unless, as in DC’s case, it was already scheduled as digital-first material); Diamond announcing, nine days after saying it would not be delivering new product to comic stores, that it has cashflow problems and is unable to pay vendors (nine days!); ComicHub is announced as the savior of the comics industry and will immediately begin distributing digital copies of physically purchased comics (despite Jeff calling it Comics Hub this entire time); DC gave a quarter of a million dollars to retailers in financial support; and Marvel Comics pausing publication of 15-20% of its titles, affecting up to a third of its output.

2:08:43-2:47:53: Unsurprisingly, we segue from the pencil’s down for a third of Marvel’s product to the slowdown and shutdown in other industries, including the ones that continue to pay us (for now).  If you wanted conversation between two friends about the pandemic, what and where it might go from here—both for themselves and for this industry—think of this as a bonus episode jammed onto your comic book podcast.  Plus, an update about where to watch The Prisoner! Plus, a recommendation from Graeme to watch: Mad Max: Fury Road.  And from Jeff: George Romero’s The Crazies.  (Yes, we are very too-on-the-nose these days.)
2:47:53-end:  Closing Comments! Look for us on  Stitcher! Itunes! Instagram! Twitter together and separately: Graeme and JeffTumblr, and  on Patreon where a wonderful group of people make this all possible, including Dominic L. Franco, and Empress Audrey, Queen of the Galaxy, to whom we are especially grateful for her continuing support of this podcast.  (Also, don’t forget about Spotify!)

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6 comments on “Wait, What? — ComicHub, Bub

  1. Jeff Lester Apr 5, 2020

    Cutting *and* pasting? In this economy?


  2. In our post-comics landscape, I look forward to this podcast’s pivot to covering the complete works of Edgar Allan Poe.

  3. If I can plug another podcast, Blank Check is going over George Miller’s entire filmography right now. The show is the kind of obsessive movie making you guys (esp. Jeff) may enjoy. Miller’s filmography is a trip: you start with Mad Max and end with Fury Road but in between, you get talking pigs, dancing penguins, and Nick Nolte doing an Italian accent. https://audioboom.com/channel/Blank-Check

  4. Other Chris Apr 8, 2020

    I really like the new page they dipped in for the last issue of the collection where Batman and the Robins team up to beat down Deathstroke. It paid off a stray plotline that was running in the Batbooks at the time.
    I think Infinite Crisis will be considered more fondly as the years go by. It’s probably the best thing Johns has ever done, for what it’s worth.

    • Voord 99 Apr 8, 2020

      I’m not trying to be mean to poor Geoff Johns, but I have a feeling that I’d honestly have to say that I don’t think he’s ever done anything better than Stars and S.T.R.I.P.E.

  5. The weird part of Infinite Crisis’s thesis is that it depends on nothing happening in the DC universe from 1996 to 2004. All of the referenced dark events (Death of Superman, Knightfall, etc.) are all clustered in the early 90s with the Artemis Wonder Woman stuff being the latest in around 1995. But after that, the DC from around the time Kingdom Come kills 90s comics, and JLA creates the fun blockbuster comic the DCU books are at their most coherent as a shared universe and lighter in tone. Waid/Johns Flash, the triangle era Superman books into the Loeb/Kelly era, the various teen books like Superboy, Impulse, and Young Justice, the Kyle Rayner Green Lantern, the Devin Grayson era Titans. Only the Batman books carry on the dark tone of the 90s into a rolling apocalypse that breaks at the end of ’99 when No Man’s Land ends. Until Identity Crisis the DCU is a downright friendly place to live outside of Gotham. Infinite Crisis has to do a big fudge to make its main point work. It’s fine if a reader doesn’t know that but if they have that extra-textual knowledge it can’t help but be weak scaffolding to build a theme on because its just like, “it was fine until you did all this stuff, you can’t make me unremember Young Justice no matter how moody your Teen Titans are Geoff Johns!”

    That being said Infinite Crisis is a pretty tight tense read for its first 3 issues. When Superboy-Prime and Alexander Luthor reveal their heel turn is when the story starts to unravel. Any motivational complexity potential is thrown away for big action and broad strokes and really messing up non-Barry Allen Flash characters in a way they’ve never recovered from.