Programming Note: If you haven’t already heard this week’s episode, scroll down past this entry and find it. And then, on the 29th, tune in to the new episode of Fan Bros to hear me help launch Secret Convergence on Infinite Podcasts…! I now return you to this week’s review:
In the 1990s, I dropped out of superhero comics for awhile. I’ve talked about this on the podcast some, but it was essentially that old cliche about thinking I’m too old for this stuff! coinciding with the 1990s glut of superhero product. I stepped away somewhere around 1993, 1994 — Zero Hour wasn’t my jumping-off point, per se, but I remember thinking even as I was buying it that it was my farewell to that kind of thing, in some oddly melodramatic fashion (I was 19, give me a break) — sticking around for Vertigo, some indie stuff and Mark Waid’s Flash. Everything else passed me by.
I didn’t really feel much of a loss from that for the longest time; when I got back into superhero stuff, I tracked down back issues or collections of the cream of the crop from DC, and have done the same more recently on Marvel Unlimited. But when Valiant came along, they sent some collections of the original X-O Manowar, Harbinger and Archer & Armstrong series, and I had this brief moment of “Wait, was some of this stuff better than I’d thought…?”
All of which lead me, eventually, to checking out both Dark Horse Heroes Omnibus Vol. 1 and Catalyst Comix from the library recently. For those who, like me, didn’t keep up with this stuff, Dark Horse Heroes was that publisher’s 1990s attempt at a superhero universe, and Catalyst Joe Casey’s attempt to revive said universe from a couple years ago. Reading the two collections back-to-back was a lesson in the value of choosing the right creators for the project. Continue reading →
Early trick? Infrequent Treat? Either way, Wait, What? Ep. 187 is at your doorstep, dressed up this year as “Sexy All Things Considered”! This episode is two and a half hours of Graeme and Jeff sonically toilet-papering comics’ house, and you’re invited to hide in the bushes and snicker with us!
(For those of you reading this who don’t have Halloween in your location, I hope that paragraph was more charmingly surreal than vexingly impenetrable.)
Anyway, let’s get on with those show notes, shall we? This year, they’re dressed up as “Sexy Medical Consultation Notes”!
00:00-13:47: Greetings from Jeff “I Am The Devil!” Lester and Graeme “Yes, He Is The Devil” McMillan, who are off and running almost immediately thanks to some pressing comic book questions, like: was the Son of Satan actually, y’know, the son of Satan? Discussed: J.M. DeMatteis, The Defenders, Buddha and Anti-Buddha, The Twentieth Century Satans, the David Bowie with the least amount of Bowie Flavor, the world’s meekest defense of Elvis Costello, Marvel’s recent BOGO sale, Iron Fist, Power Man, and Power Man & Iron Fist, and more. “Patient’s autonomous reflexes are responsive…especially the sexy reflexes!”
13:47-34:59: But still tho: Iron Fist. Jeff has been re-reading from Iron Fist’s debut in Marvel Premiere #15 and so as you can imagine we discuss: Iron Fist, the Marvel premiere of Iron Fist (in Marvel Premiere), the career of Pat Broderick, the episode when Jeff suffers a stroke on-air, the penciling debut of Larry Hama and some of the visuals that get carried over to G.I. Joe, Tony Isabella as Gerhard Schnobble, Batroc The Leaper, the origin of Ghost Rider, Seeker 3000, Crystar’s comrade in arms Beau Bridges, Mag-NEET-oh vs. Mag-NET-Oh, the origin of The Champions, Jimmy Woo founding member of the Defenders, and etc. “Patient’s seems dazed and only partially responsive to questioning…unless the questions are sexy and provocative!”
34:59-1:02:43: But of course a big deal about early Iron Fist stories is it’s where a certain Chris Claremont gets his first ongoing series (and with John Byrne, his first regular collaborator) and just like with Hama, it’s pretty damn interesting to see how much of Claremont’s interests, obsessions, and tropes are here in nascent form and how much of them are just…there, right from the get-go. Discussed: softball, creator cameos, mind control, the success of Spider-Man eyes, Bill Everett and Amazing Man, Batroc The Leaper as Pepé Le Pew, Chris Claremont’s scripts, what made the X-Men sell and sell and sell, Claremont and his desire to create tiny little stories about people, how everyone in the cast powers up and the bionic arm reveal in Iron Fist #3, Neil Conan NPR Reporter and Moira McTaggert, Peter Corbeau, more about Jo Duffy on Power Man and Iron Fist, Kerry Gammill, Trevor Von Eeden, Bob MacLeod on New Mutants vs. Bill Sienkiewicz on New Mutants, and much more in that vein. “Veins and pulse rate are shallow…except for the sexier veins. MROWR!”
1:02:43-1:17:16: “I want to spin us around entirely differently,” Graeme announces, “and say did you got to the store this week?” Jeff hasn’t, and technically neither has Graeme but thanks to the miracle of digital downloads and comp copies, he’s here to talk about one of his favorite books of the week, Justice League #45 by Geoff Johns, Francis Manipul and Brian Buccellato. “You have this absolutely ridiculous plot and this astounding art, and I just finished it being like ‘why can’t Justice League *always* like this? This is amazing!’” SPOILERS for this arc, The Darkseid War, and also SPOILERS for Brian Hitch’s opening arc on Justice League which Graeme is also enjoying. Also discussed: Geoff Johns tropes, The Amazo Virus, old rumors from the time of Final Crisis, Jeff Lemire and Justice League Dark, Jeff Parker and Justice League United, “Even Cowgirls Get The Plants,” and more. “Conjunctivae pink. Sclerae anicteric. Oropharynx clear…and hotter than a barbecue pit in July!”
1:17:16-1:22:14: “You know what I’ve been enjoying more than anything?” Graeme asks, but thank goodness it’s a rhetorical question because Jeff doesn’t know. “Bad Machinery.” Discussed: yup, you guessed it: Bad Machinery by John Allison, a comic that Graeme says is “perfectly tuned to my sense of humor and my sense of the ridiculous,” the template for Bad Machinery cases, and SPOILERS for the upcoming volume from Oni, The Case of the Lonely One(and what Jeff does not say but should have is that Graeme would probably like him some Daniel Pinkwater). ” No cyanosis, clubbing or edema…except for *erotic* edema!”
1:22:14-1:28:03: As becomes clear from the conversation that follows, Graeme has not read Jeff’s review of The Colonel of Two Worlds,( and Jeff is okay with that!) but he has read the comic itself, so the duo are able to discuss that very fun and strange freebie comic. Discussed: the importance of unjustified ridiculousness, the new sincerity and the new irony.” This area was mildly indurated. There was absolutely no erythema or fluctuance and it was not tender at all. No drainage…except for the *love* drainage!”
1:28:03-1:49:12: Although he did not get to the store, Jeff did read a lot of comics and he wanted to talk about Captain Marvel #35-46, more or less by Steve Englehart and Al Milgrom. This period falls right after the stunning run by Jim Starlin and, being buds and partying pals of Starlin, Englehart and Milgrom have big shoes to fill but also a semi-sympatico sensibility (and with that I’ll just collect my Alliteration Award at the window and be on my way, thank you very much)…or do they? Discussed: The Lunatic Legion, dropping acid in the Negative Zone, The Trial of the Watcher, the Skrull version of the MacArthur Genius Grant, the secret origin of Captain Marvel, space mules, how the storyline should’ve ended, Field of Dreams, and more. ALSO ALSO: If you want to read a little bit more about how less than spotless this run is, Jeff uses the letters pages as an example here. “1+ posterior tibialis bilaterally. Feet are warm and capillary refill a bit slow but still less than 2 seconds. Decreased hair…which suggests sexy waxing! (Or hair loss.)”
1:49:12-2:00:51: Really, we should be just about done, right? Well, no, not quite: Jeff, knowing how much Graeme has had to write about Star Wars recently, asks Graeme about…Star Wars! And yet, Graeme doesn’t quite take the bait and pivots instead to discuss…Back To The Future Day! Also discussed: the impeccable craft of the first Back To The Future movie; Jeff’s suspicions about Back To The Future and Forrest Gump, Graeme’s criticism of how Back To The Future 2 steals the thunder of Back To The Future 3; Graeme’s criticism of Jeff’s theory, especially in light of the villain of Back To The Future 2 being deliberately modeled on Donald Trump, FULL SPOILERS for Back To The Future 2, shooting sequels back to back and whether that can work with movies that aren’t books, and more. “Heart is Regular rate and rhythm without murmur, rub or gallop except for intermittent pangs…OF SEXY LOVE.”
2:00:51-2:27:48: “I like how we were actually ‘let’s talk about Star Wars’ and we totally didn’t,” sez Graeme, and so we finally do. Discussed: The release schedule for Star Wars movies, Greg Rucka’s Journey To Star Wars—The Force Awakens miniseries (and Graeme’s review), whether the new movie would be more satisfying the less you know about it, J.J. Abrams *KEEPER OF MYSTERIES*, Star Trek Into Darkness and Graeme’s rewatch and Jeff’s refusal to believe anything Graeme says now, rewatching Man of Steel vs. rewatching Green Lantern, rewatching Avengers vs. rewatching Avengers Age of Ultron, the good moment from The Phantom Menace, why Jeff likes John Cassaday on Star Wars and why Graeme likes Stuart Immonen on Star Wars, and more. “Possible abnormal chest xray. Will repeat today….over a romantic candlelight dinner in the nude!”
2:27:48-close: Closing comments! Our special thanks to the kind crew at American Ninth Art Studios for their continuing support of this podcast..as well as our special thanks to the Empress Audrey, Queen of the Galaxy…and to all 112 of our supporters on Patreon who make all this possible. Stitcher!Itunes! Twitter together and separately: Graeme and Jeff! Matt! Tumblr!
NEXT WEEK: Another skip week since there were five Thursdays this month and the very last Thursday is right before Jeff’s birthday so…yes, no podcast next week and blame Jeff for that.
HOWEVER, did you read all of the roundtablebetweenGraeme, Matt, and I about the first issues of Paper Girls, Survivors’ Club, Batman & Robin Eternal, and Doctor Strange? It’s like a podcast for the eyes! It’s worth a read! We had a lot of fun doing it and will probably want to do more!
ALSO, on Friday, Graeme and Jeff are special guest-stars on the only movie podcast in the universe, Travis Bickle on the Riviera! We are on part two of the massive Spookstravaganza where Sean Witzke, Travis Stone, and an unstoppable super-team of cinematic smartypants look at the film of Ridley Scott versus the films of Tony Scott! Go check out Part 1 so you can be prepared for the sonic chair match that is Graeme vs. Jeff vs. Sean vs. Tony Scott’s Domino!!!
ALSO ALSO, Secret Convergence on Infinite Podcasts starts this week so keep an eye out on the Secret Convergence tumblr so you can catch the first crossover at Fan Bros featuring our very own Graeme McMillan!
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It’s almost Halloween and I am currently very much enjoying the fruits of my labors…although you have to understand I’m using the term “labors” in the 21st Century First World definition, which is to say “purchases.” The last month has pretty much been a lot of comic book related purchasing but not nearly as much comic book related reading…until this week. This week, I hunkered down on the couch with the iPad and read some comics. And when I got tired of that, I went to the book shelf and grabbed some manga. And when I got tired of that, I grabbed that smelly stack of old comics I bought up in Portland while Graeme stood next to me, more or less aghast.
So, yeah. A very good week. Let me tell you more about it behind the jump.
You might think that taking part in an 800,000 word roundtable conversation that started with discussion of Batman & Robin Eternal #1 would’ve exhausted everything I had to say about that particular lightweight action-adventure superhero romp. And yet here I find myself, after the jump.
Perhaps it’s because I have written more words than any human being should, over the last few days, about Star Wars, but I keep finding myself surprisingly blocked when it comes to expressing how I feel about Marvel’s Journey to Star Wars: The Force Awakens — Shattered Empire.
This isn’t a case of my nostalgia overwhelming my critical faculties — that was me watching the most recent trailer for the new movie, which continued the merciless attempts to mine the audience’s collective childhood for all that it’s worth, more or less successfully — but, if anything, more the opposite; Shattered Empire is a perfectly fun series that offers fan service by giving readers the first real look at the main characters from the original trilogy after the original trilogy. That, alone, is likely worth the price of admission for most hardcore SW fans: look, it’s Leia using the Force (admittedly, somewhat unwittingly)! Look, it’s Luke on a mission to rebuild the Jedi faith! and so on. I can very much see what’s appealing about that. And yet… and yet… Continue reading →
KFC: THE COLONEL OF TWO WORLDS: As a kid, back when comic books were more out of reach than they are now, I remember being delighted whenever a free comic came my way. For a few years there, teachers at my school passed out small comics from the main power utility where famous TV sitcom characters showed you (a) how to make a kite, and (b) how to avoid flying that kite into power lines. You have to admire the passive aggressiveness of the ad man who decided that an industry’s more pesky nuisances should also be its primary form of pre-adolescent outreach. I can’t remember if the freebie Smoky The Bear comics spent the first half showing you how to make a campfire in the woods, and the second half showing you the brutal repercussions of what happens when you make a campfire in the woods, but I wouldn’t be surprised.
In any event, I couldn’t help but think of that ad man—whoever he or she was—when reading KFC: The Colonel of Two Worlds, this impressively crazy free comic recently made available on Comixology. The freebie comics of my youth were plodding affairs, with electrical utilities, public safety messages, and Radio Shack computers offered with the same plodding earnestness. (It was only in retrospect I realized how deeply strange it would be for the Fonz to truly become obsessed with turning paper, string, and sticks into a free-floating tribute to Ben Franklin.)
PREVIOUSLY, ON THE WAIT, WHAT? ROUNDTABLE. We have exhausted about a trillion words in a look at four recent first issues: Batman & Robin Eternal #1 (DC), written by Scott Snyder and James Tynion IV with art from Tony Daniel; Survivors’ Club #1 (Vertigo), written by Lauren Beukes and Dale Halvorsen, with art from Ryan Kelly; Paper Girls #1 (Image), written by Brian K. Vaughan with art from Cliff Chiang; and Doctor Strange #1 (Marvel), written by Jason Aaron with art from Chris Bachalo and, in a backup story, Kevin Nowlan. Everything dies. You, me. Everyone on this planet. Our sun. Our galaxy. And, eventually, the universe itself. This is simply how things are. It’s inevitable. Then Jeff was mid-thought, addressing a question Matt asked about if we were being too harsh on these first issues when abject failures like Telos #1 exist.Continue reading →
PREVIOUSLY, ON THE WAIT, WHAT? ROUNDTABLE. We started a look at four first issues: Batman & Robin Eternal #1 (DC), written by Scott Snyder and James Tynion IV with art from Tony Daniel; Survivors’ Club #1 (Vertigo), written by Lauren Beukes and Dale Halvorsen, with art from Ryan Kelly; Paper Girls #1 (Image), written by Brian K. Vaughan with art from Cliff Chiang; and Doctor Strange #1 (Marvel), written by Jason Aaron with art from Chris Bachalo and, in a backup story, Kevin Nowlan.
A bunch of other things happened.
And then Graeme asked Jeff and Matt what recent first issues had engendered genuine excitement.
Howdy, Whatnauts! Jeff here, welcoming you to the first Wait, What? roundtable—it’s like a podcast for your eyes!
Graeme, Matt, and I were shooting the breeze over email about future entries for the website and realized the comics release week of October 7, 2015 was going to be a monster in terms of what was coming out. As frequently seems to be the case when a big convention opens, there’s a lot of trades people have been waiting on (Star Wars! Bitch Planet!), but there were a lot of first issues coming out that week. Like, a lot.
Now that’s due in no small part to NYCC and also to Marvel’s original plans to have Secret Wars all wrapped up already, but regardless we thought it might be interesting to look at four of first issues from four(ish) different publishers through the lens of: What should first issues do? What do these first issues do? And if we were to infer what the publishers will be trying to accomplish in the coming year from these first issues, what would we infer?
For our sampler pack, the three of us each secured copies of Batman & Robin Eternal #1 (DC), written by Scott Snyder and James Tynion IV with art from Tony Daniel; Survivors’ Club #1 (Vertigo), written by Lauren Beukes and Dale Halvorsen, with art from Ryan Kelly; Paper Girls #1 (Image), written by Brian K. Vaughan with art from Cliff Chiang; and Doctor Strange #1 (Marvel), written by Jason Aaron with art from Chris Bachalo and, in a backup story, Kevin Nowlan. And count on FULL SPOILERS. We spoil everything but the staples. (I have no idea what that means, but it’s catchy.)
And with that out of the way, I’m gonna pass the mic over to Matt to start us off, since he was the one who got the whole ball rolling (and also because I’m curious to see what he would start us off with). Take it away, Mr. T!
Previously on Baxter Building: We’re in the waning days of Stan Lee and Jack Kirby’s classic run on the Fantastic Four, with the invention and verve of the title’s salad days being slowly replaced by repetition and the sense that neither creator is that invested in the title anymore, choosing to bring back familiar faces instead of come up with something new. But could that be about to change…?
(Programming note: Marvel Unlimited, where I usually grab the images for the show notes, is down as I write, so I’m using the GIT Corp DVD collection instead — which means some ugly MARVEL watermarks in places. All apologies.)
0:00:00-0:01:49: “There are only three stories this time, so we might be able to do this one relatively quickly,” I say in an unusually optimistic mood about this episode, in which we cover Fantastic Four #82-87 and Annual #6. Spoilers: We don’t, but I’m sure that’s not a surprise to anyone other than Jeff and myself. 0:01:50-0:26:47: The smoothest segue in podcast history brings us quickly to Fantastic Four Annual #6, of which Jeff says in a seemingly accidental pun, “there’s a lot of fantastic stuff in here.” And there is, including the birth of Reed and Sue’s son, a return to the Negative Zone, the first appearance of Annihilus, and some wonderful Kirby art. Lots of fun questions are thrown up as we read through it, including: Is Reed Richards a lying heel? Are Lee and Kirby pulling a Jungian riff (including a demonic villain)? Did Jeff somehow know that he’d be making a reference to this weekend’s Doctor Who by referencing the Fisher King? Also, find out the alternative title for Baxter Building, named after these gentle creatures: 0:26:48-0:39:02: The Inhumans return in FF #82, and bring with them their race of cloned slaves, something that (quite rightfully, I think) manages to freak both Jeff and myself out horribly. That said, the name “Alpha Primitives” really is something else. But things get better when we run into Zorr, the new character find of 1968, and also a surprising glimpse at the Beyonder’s aesthetic, more than a decade early. Meanwhile, Maximus the Mad is back to disappoint us all in his generic villainy, and we get introduced to the wonders of hypnosis, which Jeff uses to pivot into one of two Stan Lee/Jack Kirby relationship metaphors this episode.
0:39:03-0:59:51: Just the title of Fantastic Four #85 — “Shall Man Survive?” — is enough to make both of us to discuss the possibility of a holiday special Baxter Building for our Patreon supporters, but even that can’t distract us from Reed Richards’ true superpower: Knowing things that he really has no ability to know, purely because Stan Lee wants Reed to be the smartest guy in the room. Also, if Zorr won your hearts in the previous issue, then wait until you meet Maximus’s new henchmen. Jeff isn’t a fan, but I genuinely see them as the forerunners for the New Gods, so they have more than a little borrowed cool. While we’re talking New Gods, Jeff sees this image as the birth of Darkseid:
But that’s enough about Kirby! We also talk about the ways in which Lee’s dialogue makes up for some ropey plotting, and having seemingly learned when to shut up. And, for all we (rightfully) give Lee and Kirby shit for their flawed endings in this episode, the denouement here is actually kind of great — not least of all because it lets us all realize that Karnak is actually a kung-fu C3-PO. Just really. 0:59:52-1:03:16: We wrap up the arc by talking about the evolution of Kirby as a plotter and, especially, a penciler — the ways in which both his page layout and sense of pacing have evolved, as well as his linework — and also being thankful for the surprising uptick in quality in this batch of issues compared with what we’ve been reading through in the last couple of issues.
1:03:17-1:10:43: “We really are speeding through this, this week,” I say, entirely deluding myself as we move into the four-part Doctor Doom story that runs through Fantastic Four #84-87. As I try to make the argument that this arc — Lee and Kirby’s last major Doom arc on the series — is the definitive Doom story, Jeff hums and haws about my reasoning. (Anytime he says, “Well, let me tell you, Graeme,” you can tell that he both has a theory, and it’s a different one from the one I’ve been talking about). Is this where the Lee and Kirby relationship breaks down entirely, as Jeff argues, and is it all Patrick McGoohan’s fault?
1:10:44-1:18:20:FF #84 features some prime Doom — “Have I not told you how I dearly love my subjects?” indeed — and also proof that SHIELD are terrible at strategy (or, perhaps, just don’t care about superheroes that much). Lee and Kirby are on fire in this issue, which really just makes the disappointment of the way this arc finishes all the greater. That said, you might find yourself tempted to visit Latveria for a holiday; who wouldn’t want to be woken up by glockenspiel? 1:18:21-1:33:59: “This is where some of the plotting gets very, very screwball,” says Jeff of Fantastic Four #85, which is being polite. While Doom continues to be the highlight of the story this issue, we also get more hypnosis (and more explanations from Reed that he has no way of actually knowing beyond Stan Lee’s desire for Reed to know everything), a cutaway to a space mushroom house, and the introduction of two characters who’ll go on to be very, very important over the next couple of issues. Although one will gain some hair in the process. It’s probably best if you don’t think about that too much.
1:34:00-1:45:53: Despite the fact that both Jeff and I really love the title of FF #86 — “The Victims” — we both agree that this is where the story really breaks down, with Jeff suggesting that that’s down to a collapse of empathy between Kirby and Lee on a very basic level, because Kirby is processing WWII trauma in a way that Lee would never be able to understand. Is Kirby working through Vietnam-era anti-war sentiment in a particularly coded way that even his collaborator can’t understand fully? We start slipping into what happens in the subsequent issue as we consider alternate plots to what actually unfolds on the page here, before talking about the populist response to being attacked by killer robots and being defended by some superheroes from another country. Also, when it a nuke not a nuke? Probably when Jeff and I talk about a bomb being a nuclear bomb, even through, despite what I say in the podcast, it’s clearly referred to as “tons of nitroglycerine” in the comic itself. Sorry, all. (And sorry for the very, very loud barking dogs towards the end of this section, too; someone was visiting and the dogs wanted to say hello.)
1:45:54-2:03:34: Things get very strange in Fantastic Four #87, as Doom introduces both the concept of Hypersound and the importance of a well-prepared meal in Latverian culture. In what could be considered a damning critique of toxic masculinity, the fighting males of the FF achieve nothing while the gentlemanly Doom dines with Crystal and Sue before siding with culture over tribalism — although, really, that’s not what the intent was at all. Jeff has a theory about what was going on behind the scenes (that it’s all about the respect paid to the artist, instead of that paid to the company man) that I don’t quite agree with because I’m not convinced that opportunist ex-Nazis really count as company men, per se. Did Lee know just how badly this issue wraps up the four issue storyline, and try to let fans in on the potential letdown with the cover blurb? I suggest that very thing, while Jeff talks about the ways in which #85 doesn’t manage to close out the storyline to anyone’s satisfaction. Apologies to The Jack Kirby Collector for me misremembering its title as The Jack Kirby Quarterly, by the way.
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